Man with children rescued last night, had his two year old child in a backpack, got stuck or lost no doubt.
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Another Walker rescue on Tibro!!!
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 crispy71 |
Another Walker rescue on Tibro!!! |
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Tentative rockjock
2 years
(23/06/08 8:35 AM) |
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Patxi Usobiaga 6 years
(23/06/08 9:48 AM) Mr Kneebar |
Devlin, was that you?
Climb hard - or kneebar, your choice.
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HB 9 years
(23/06/08 9:57 AM) |
We were up there yesterday arvo doing some training. Busy place since Beerwah was shut (not that it seemed to stop anyone from going up there either). Cant
believe you could get lost with the constant stream of people....
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Ramón Julian Puigblanque 2 years
(23/06/08 11:08 AM) |
Yeah yeah. I was hoping to get my kids a ride in the chopper. Thought it would be cheaper than going to Dreamworld. Took my dog with me but the bugger
wouldn't down climb anything. Got to sit down and have a serious chat with him. I can dig him not down climbing the woody but this is getting ridiculous.
Seriously though. Something is going to come to head with all these 'tourists' getting stuck and I fear that the climbing community will suffer from it. ....and I don't want to hear a lot of whining, so I'll shut up! |
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Confident leader 4 years
(23/06/08 11:09 AM) |
I had a quick read of the article. Didn't actually get lost, but the 4 year old whom had walked to the top, with dad and brother, became exhausted and
couldn't continue and they had to be rescued.
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Frog fiend
4 years
(23/06/08 12:30 PM) |
....this is starting to become a joke.
I have to say there seems to be a little stupidity on the farthers side. The walk to the top of Tibro isn't suitable for a 4 year old imho. I think there needs to be some kind of sign at the beginning of these tracks warning idoits.... I mean tourists to stay on the track and allow suitable time for the return trip. I'm sure there is already something in place but perhaps extra warning is required to drum it into peoples heads or / and are accountable (finacially) for having to be rescued from such an easily avoided situation. |
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Patxi Usobiaga 9 years
(23/06/08 12:39 PM) Dr Phool |
Nope, don't agree with more signage. Stoopid is as stoopid does. It's a mountain and if people get themselves into trouble then the resultant
embarrassment being highlighted in the media will eventually educate others to at least give themselves pause while they think about either heading up or not.
From memory there is already a sign at the start of the steep bit advising to only proceed if experienced.
A dad taking a 4 year old is definitely stupid though.
...Phil...
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Patxi Usobiaga 6 years
(23/06/08 12:53 PM) Mr Kneebar |
It's not stupid per se, but if Dad is a cluts and it's the end of the day, then it's stupid.
Climb hard - or kneebar, your choice.
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Dani Andrada 6 years
(23/06/08 3:50 PM) Dog whisperer
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Took my dog with me but the bugger wouldn't down climb anything. You should have called me..... Definitely no more signage - paaahleeeze!
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Jamb junkie 3 years
(23/06/08 4:10 PM) |
Should be a sign at the bottom showing a large number ten with a greater than sign in front of it...meaning no one under the age of 10 years old or with an IQ
of less than 10 should proceed beyond this point...come to think of it, there should be another sign with a brother and sister holding hands on top of a
wedding cake...with a big red diagonal line running through it...means if you are married to your sister, your name is Cleetus or Jethro, you own a coon dog
and eat road kill...you should not proceed either!!!
That should account for 99.99% of all the dumb-assed inbreds that need rescuing off this piss ant hill they call a mountain!!! In 15 or so years I know of only one case of a climber needing a rescue from the Glasshouse Mountains...versus hundreds of bush wackers!!! I personally think ALL rescues that are non life threatening should be paid for by those who are rescued. Look at the way rescues are done in Yosemite (USA)...a valid reason for needeing a rescue (freak weather, major accident or medical emergency, etc) is covered by the tax payer...tools willingly going up the big stone when advised not to, with inadequate gear (like down bags and hammocks instead of synthetic gear and good portaledges) and next to no experience, are ceremoniously handed a nice big bill from the Parks Service and Uncle Sam for their rescue costs!!! 
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HB 9 years
(23/06/08 4:55 PM) |
Oh, please no more signs! It seems this fellow was the guy we said g'day to on the top Sunday arvo. He seemed reasonably competent actually, and sorry to say, was not just a 'tourist hiker' it would seem - he had his kids in kiddy body harnesses and was basically belaying them about on top safely. The kids were having a ball which was great to see. They left to make thier way down well before us, but passed them again not far from the top when went back down ourselves. To be fair, he seemed very thorough with his kids safety. Having said that, it seems obviously he bit off a little too much, and I have long agreed with the thought mentioned above that rescues should be paid out by those who incur them. All the safety signs in the world and the ability to call a mobile or sat phone and get people to bail your butt out of jail has made the masses incredibly poor at judging and preparing for situations these days. I would be embarassed not to pay if I got myself in a similar situation. ~Ad |
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Dani Andrada 6 years
(23/06/08 5:02 PM) Dog whisperer
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Karmon Ad - seriously! How can you say the guy was/seemed "reasonably competant" on the one hand when he has a 4 yr old and a 2 yr old with him at
the top of what is a pretty serious hike. One tumble and you aint gonna stop till you hit bottom.
Hope the guy has his head well and truly pulled in today. 
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Confident leader 2 years
(23/06/08 5:04 PM) |
2yr old and 4yr old stuck on top of tibro in the middle of winter presumably without gear for the night as they were only hiking - sounds pretty bad if not
life threatening to me, regardless of the fathers IQ. Where do you draw the line?
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HB 9 years
(23/06/08 5:09 PM) |
Within the context of climbing and safety, the guy seemed reasonably competent. Most tourists do not own harnesses for themselves, nor have thier kids in them, or use belay devices to stop them falling all the way to the bottom when the risk is there. He seemed at least aware of the basic principles of climbing relatively safely, which would probably put him above the tag of bumpling tourist hiker imho. He made a very bad judgement call on the timing and his childs endurance it would seem, and I am sure today he is eating humble pie for it. ~Ad
Last Edited By: Ad
23/06/08 5:28 PM.
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Jamb junkie 3 years
(23/06/08 5:52 PM) |
News report state that he left the carpark at 10am...I could haul and lower a friggin wheelchair to the top of Tibro and back in the 7 hours that this guy had
to self rescue himself and his family. Surely with the masses on Tibro's noob track (on a Sunday!!!), he could have realised he was in over his head,
swallowed his pride and asked someone to either help him to get one of the children down (as he was already carrying one (the smart one!!!) and a couple of
adults could have easily assisted or even carried/piggybacked the older child for short periods inbetween rest stops). Sure he had a headlamp, sure he had a
coil of 7 or 8mm accessory cord over his shoulders but that doesn'y make him a climber...and if he was worth his salt, he would have taken the time on his
TV report to state that he was not a " climber " but a bush walker...to cut us poor climbers some slack!!!
Hope he gets fined, hope gets charged with endangering his kids!!! Imagine how he would have felt if one of his little one's had gotten away from, or been taken out by any of the frequent loose rocks rolled down the tourist track. Also the baby carrier he had on his back looked like a piece of crap and not suitable enough to carry his kids around K-Mart let alone up Tibro!!! Take them to Lamington for a wilderness experience next time ......and stop sleeping with your sister!!! 
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Patxi Usobiaga 6 years
(23/06/08 6:13 PM) Mr Kneebar |
Hey everyones entitled to a little help when they stuff up. He pays his taxes.
The fact that authorities deploy over elaborate and expensive responses is not entirely his fault.
Climb hard - or kneebar, your choice.
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Kleman Becan
3 years
(23/06/08 7:37 PM) |
JJ's got a point.
There can be no doubt that we are Qurankers, and as such are so cool we could never be guilty of trivial misjudgement. But, hey, don't we have such reserves of coolness that surely we could spare some for others outside the group? Surely we can see that the folly of others in such situations arises from the same sense of adventure that drives us, and be thankful that the spirit of adventure has not been totally usurped by hyper-reality and cyberspace? |
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Bold runout master
2 years
(23/06/08 8:43 PM) |
Having a sense of adventure is one thing... lacking common sense by taking your toddlers up a track clearly signed 'for experienced climbers only',
'serious injury or death' and etc is another.
Honestly, if you want to take your kids on a hike up a hill, go somewhere safe like Mt Beerburrum. What difference would it make to children of that age, other than to the ego of the father?
Last Edited By: alpinedan
23/06/08 8:51 PM.
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jjobrien |
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Patxi Usobiaga 6 years
(23/06/08 8:46 PM) Mr Kneebar |
I know we've already got the rope over the branch, and everyone loves a lynchin' but maybe it's really not that bad.
Climb hard - or kneebar, your choice.
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Epic Steve |
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Jamb junkie 3 years
(23/06/08 10:03 PM) |
The thing that should concern climbers is this...who poses a greater REAL risk as far as the land managers of these areas are concerned...climbers or
bush walkers? Who is regularly in the public spotlight??? Who costs the tax payer more money annually???? Who gets the blame??? CLIMBERS!!!! When push comes to
shove, some government desk jockey who is concerned about seeing a " CLIMBER " every other week on the news, drawing bad PR to his little part of the
world, won't really make a distinction between restricting or even closing a wilderness area to a PERCEIVED risky activities like rock
climbing...!!! As far as they are concerned, if these people that keep appearing on the news are labelled CLIMBERS and still need rescuing (even if they were
only hiking at the time of the said rescue) then the chances of them needing a major rescue in the future must be great...answer...restrict all PERCEIVED risky
activities and leave the general public to walk around the granny track at the base of the mountains!!!
I don't give a rats ass what people do with their kids, I have my own, but I sure as hell know what is common sense and what is just plain stupidity...we all work for our hard earned money...to have it sqandered on needless rescues for the LCDs that put the lives of the rescuers and emergency services at risk...for non-life threatening emergencies! As Alpinedan said "...other than to the ego of the father!" SAYS IT ALL!!! 
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MikeCarlotto |
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Frog fiend
4 years
(24/06/08 9:03 AM) |
For the amount of preperation he seems to have taken he sounds like even more of an idiot for not understanding what he was asking his childern to do. A hike
that deserves a bit of respect.
As I said above unless you are injured or are in a serious life threatening situation then you should be paying for your rescue. This farther had ample time to ask another member of the community to help him down with the two childern by the sounds of it but for some reason did not take it, if it was ego or purely he thought he could manage but it just took too long in the end I don't know, I still have to say this guy was in the wrong in a situation that should not of happened. Ok and I retract my thing about the sign. I didn't realise there was already ample signage, I haven't been up the tourist track for awhile. |
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