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rightarmbad |
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State forests are now controlled by National parks though.
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11/06/08 10:26 PM.
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Gremlin |
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... and lots of state parks eventually become National Parks.
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ross ferguson |
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"... and lots of State parks are now controlled by National parks though"
"state parks eventually become National Parks. " Wow you guys are on to it.
No matter how you twist it, its a Conservation park. It is owned by the Ipswich city council and only managed by QPWS. It has cows, yes COWS roaming its flanks. Forests of prickly pear.Lantana like you
have never seen...
Its a nice place to be, but its not( in terms of natural beauty and Australian bush wilderness) The Glass House or Mt French or Mt Barney or Mt Griville. Ross..
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11/06/08 8:08 PM.
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Gremlin |
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And there once was cows and bulldozers smashing down the Main Range NP... and it's a world heritage listed area?
You might see forests of prickly pear and cow turds. But i see lots of small cedar and pine trees, i see the hills recovering after being cleared and a unique patch of vine scrub with a rare native species of passionflower growing in it. Worth protecting i reckon... And do the laws change just because it's a conservation park, or do the fines still apply? |
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ross ferguson |
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And while this is all true Gremlin, the fact remains that you were indirectly representing Mt Flinders as a national park.
It is also a fact that it is not a National Park it is a Conservation Park. Conservation parks come in at the bottom of a 7 tiered scale. I am not saying its not worth protecting, I agree.
There is only one set of legislation to cover all of these parks. That dose not mean they are all equal.
Perhaps its going to be a NP one day but it has a long way to go to get up that scale. Ross..
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ross ferguson |
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State forests are now controlled by National parks though.
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My point is, I am well aware of this. Remember we are the ones with the fines and negotiating with the parks guys. Ross..
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thiaoouba |
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Has anyone got a copy of "The Act"? If so, what does it say (or omit) in regard to climbing, placing of fixed protection, etc?
Does it treat a National Park differently to a Conservation Park (for the purposes of climbing etc)? I've often wondered whether climbing in these areas is "tolerated" by the land managers (due to established conventions over time), or whether climbers are considered valid users of the land (which I suspect is not the case). I guess these are the questions that the QCA is attempting to pursue. |
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wombby |
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So I wouldn't get too excited about the fact that bolts do not have to be removed from Flinders. I believe Flinders is a lost cause (for now). We should be focusing our lobbying efforts elsewhere. There is a lot of work to be done.Yeah I'm kinda thinking along similar lines, but won't go into it here - remember, the rangers read this stuff too. Still, I do believe the lobbying and co-operation route will bear fruit down the track. |
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meinmuk |
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thiaoouba wrote:For the purpose of a longer term framework, is there a worthwhile link to be made between horse-riding - which is permitted in several forests, and climbing? |
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Ross, keep up the good work mate. Finally someone has opened dialog in an effort to bring the factions together. That has to be a good thing. You would not
have done it I guess if you do not have a real passion for the area that is Flinders. It is absurd to think you would be wanting to see the place trashed.
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wombby |
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For the purpose of a longer term framework, is there a worthwhile link to be made between horse-riding - which is permitted in several forests, and climbing?Absolutely, in terms of users. And remember: We have lack of users on our side. Climbers make little or no impact on our NPs/State Forests etc. compared to trail bike riders, horse riders, 4X drivers, campers, visitors, day hikers, tourists, etc. I heard recently that one group (Rogaine) wanted to put several thousand runners through a very sensistive area (World Heritage listed area) that would have trashed the existing tracks and were subsequently knocked back. Kinda puts things in perspective and in my books is one aspect of rock cimbing/rock climbers acessing NPs/State Forests we should promote or at least bear in mind. |
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thisrod |
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The Nature Conservation Act and regulations are on the web. I don't
think they say anything about climbing, except that's its given as an example of a "special activity" that the EPA can require people to get
permits for.
The protected areas management bit is probably most relevant. Read literally, the part the guys have been charged under requires you to obtain written permission from the boss of the EPA every time you dig a hole to bury your poo. There is similarly broad drafting in other sections, so it's a rent-a-cop's dream. |
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antoinemoussette |
Extract of the nature conservacy act 1992 | ||
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Note: 1 penalty unit = 75 $ (for now)
Division 7 Cultural and Natural resources
62 Restriction on taking etc. of cultural and naturalresources of protected areas
(1) A person, other than an authorised person, must not take, use, keep or interfere with a cultural or natural ressource of a protected area, other than under-
(a) the interim or declared management intend for the area; or (b) any conservation agreement or covenant to the area; or (c) a lease, agreement, licence, permit or other authority granted, made, issued or given-
Maximum penalty- 3000 penalty unit or 2 years of imprisonment
Part 3 Unauthorised structures or works
107 Unauthorised structures and works
A person must not erect or keep a structure, other than a camping structure being used under a camping permit, or carry out works in a protected area-
(a) without the chief executive's written approuval; or (b) in contravention of the approval
Maximum penalyty - 165 penalty point
108 Complying with direction to remove unauthorised structures or works.
(1)This section applies to a structure or works in a protected area in contravention of section 107 If the name of the person who erected the structure or work is know by the chief executive or a conservation officer.
(2) a conservation officer may give the person a written direction to-
(a) remove the structure or work and restore the place from which it is removed as nearly as practicable to its former state; or (b) if the works can not be removed- stabilise or rehabilitate the works, or place where the works are located
Part 7 Other conduct in protected area
137 unlawfully possesing or using appliances
(1) a person must not possess or use an appliance in a protected area (2) Subsection (1) does not apply to (a) Unload spear gun (b) Fishing rod (c) Camping appliance (d) With written approval
Maximum penalty- 120 penalty units
138 authorised use of generator, compressors or motors
Maximum penalty- 50 penalty units
140 General misconduct
(1) A person in a protected area must not, unless the person has a reasonable excuse- (a) be disorderly or create disturbance; or (b) do anything that interferes, or is likely to interfere, with the safety or health of the person or someone else in the area
Maximum penalty- 50 penalty units |
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manacubus |
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It's good that they make it clear a fishing rod is not an appliance.
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antoinemoussette |
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They also mention it's possible to use an appliance with a written permission ...
I Hope this will make us think about behavior at the crag. |
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Pt Zell |
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Now I'm confused, Can I take my battery operated toothbrush so I can clean my teeth after lunch?
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thiaoouba |
All's quiet on the QCA front | ||
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Haven't heard anything new from the QCA for some time. Website seems inactive. Perhaps they're building a secret underground lair
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Pt Zell |
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Been evil fricken bolters for 30 fricken years... oookkkk??????
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Brother Colin |
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I have sent them a few emails with no reply.
Climb Hard, Climb Safe.
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thiaoouba |
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I also sent an email - also no reply...
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