very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

Re: very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (thisrod) — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:46:33 GMT

What would you say to a simple bolt hole with no bolt in it?

I wouldn't oppose that. As you say, it wouldn't affect me.

Maybe it is because I am from New Zealand

That adds some context. If the Southern Alps and Darrans were in SE Queensland, I expect we'd all let you do what you wanted with the chossy little quarries.

Re: very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (Ballfyboy) — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:30:40 GMT

"I am from New Zealand "
Now it makes sense. :-)

Re: very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (JohnMc) — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:10:43 GMT

OK thisrod. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on the pink hanger. Maybe it is because I am from New Zealand that I posses the mental fortitude to climb past a bolt, but I have also seen Australians, Singaporeans and Americans skip bolts too. Maybe we are just super human.

What would you say to a simple bolt hole with no bolt in it? You can't clip it. It will not interfere with your climb. In fact it does not affect your climbing experience in any way. Then any...

Re: very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (thisrod) — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:18:09 GMT

John: I cant see your reply ...

Then perhaps you should read my posts (and Ross's, and a bunch of other contributors'.

Picture yourself leaving the ground, knowing that when you're three metres up there will be a bolt in front of your face. Then imagine leaving the ground, knowing that at three metres you'll be committed to jumping off, or climbing to a bolt at six metres....

Re: very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (JohnMc) — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:37:26 GMT

Question to all climbers compelled to clip extra bolts.

1) Do you take a trolley at the Coles if your only getting a bottle of milk (just because it is there)?
2) Do you walk and extra 100m up the street to across at the pedestrian crossing (Just because it it there)?
3) Do you sit up all night watching TV (Just because something is on)?
4) Would you place a cam 6 inchs above a bomber placement, just because it was there?
5) Do you take a copy of the free reality...

Re: very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (thisrod) — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:12:14 GMT

John: I have always stated [bolts] are for safety.

This statement was rebutted very early in the thread, and you haven't answered the rebuttal, so I think your continued assertion of it is silly.

Are bolts placed on a route for any reason other than safety? If so what are they?

That must be true in the case at hand, where a bolt was added to a route that can be climbed safely without it. I didn't place it, so I don't...

Re: very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (Chickenwing) — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 08:57:05 GMT

JohnMc wrote:
Climbing locations like KP will not survive if people take a narrow minded view that does not consider the 'majority' of users.

My point is exactly the opposite. KP will NOTsurvive as a rock climbing location if we keep satisfying the "lowest common denominator"... they might as well install a Via Ferrata.

"Survival" of a climbing...

Re: very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (drdeviousii) — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 08:56:17 GMT

the argument that "just becuase the bolts are there doesn't mean you have to clip them" makes as much sense as driving your car down the foot path just because you don't like driving on the road. It may make sense to some, but its not quite practical in real life.

PS: last week TerryS said, for the 2nd time, he wasn't coming back to qurank. what gives?

Re: very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (pumpensmear) — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 08:49:42 GMT

I can see pink climbing panties up your climbing skirt John, and you give me crap for wearing lycra when I ride. What a sook!!!

Re: very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (JohnMc) — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 08:12:41 GMT

Chickenwing said : Who cares about the majority ...... What matters is the yardstick the first ascencionist

If you really feel this way then why would you ever repeat a climb? Once climbed you have satisfied your ego and can more on. Why ever do a first ascent? Your measuring yourself against nothing. On a "sport" route, the FA never molded the rock and chipped the holds, they just added the safety attachments. They opened the route for all to enjoy....

Re: very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (TerryS) — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 00:10:59 GMT

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John Mc: The only argument I can see against adding an extra bolt is that someone has already climbed it without the bolt and does not want the extra bolt added because the kudos of having ticked the climb is some how deminished. But that would just be a ego issue with nothing to do with adventure.
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Re: very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (Chickenwing) — Wed, 06 Jun 2007 21:04:28 GMT

Climbing is not democratic. Who cares about the majority of the climbers? ...the lowest common denominator? What matters is the yardstick the first ascencionist left for the rest of us. Do you measure up? I agree with Ballfyboy that bolts are a mental aid.

Re: very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (Ballfyboy) — Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:46:47 GMT

JohnMc wrote:
thisrod

I will ignore for the moment that KP is not a cliff but actually a picnic area quary and assume it is a piece of natural cliff provided my allah for our enjoyment.

By placing bolts on CC you have already conceeded that it is not climbable using modern traditional means. Therefor the bolts are there for one reason. That reason is to protect the climber. If you use the bolts to...

Re: very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (JohnMc) — Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:39:25 GMT

thisrod: I never said bolts are for convenience. I have always stated they are for safety. And I am still trying to understand how they inconvenience you "real" people. Using statements like "there isn't anything for you to understand" and "less interested in exploring the reasons" does not help me comprehend your thinking on the matter.

So my question remains... Are bolts placed on a route for any reason other than safety? If so what are they?...

Re: very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (thisrod) — Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:06:11 GMT

John, I find those last two posts rather silly. There are safe enough ways to climb Cucumber Castle with or without an extra bolt, or indeed any bolts. The only valid reason people have given for adding a bolt is that it would be convenient for them. Fine. But why isn't it OK for the next climber to remove the bolt when that's convenient for her?

The thing about Cucumber Castle is that real people care enough to remove the bolt. I think you're less interested in...

Re: very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (JohnMc) — Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:07:54 GMT

By the way, it isn't true that bolt pullers are never named in guidebooks. Check out the Rick White section of Andy's recent Frog guide.

They must be very brave people. If someone was expecting a bolt and fell to their death it would be a very difficult thing to sleep with every night. But I guess if you are a true adventure climber the safety of others is of no concern to you.

Re: very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (JohnMc) — Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:58:00 GMT

thisrod

Sorry if I did not make myself clear. CC is perfectly climbable (if that is a word) with or without bolts.

1) However, once bolts are placed you must conceed that they are there to make the climb safer and not just for decoration or to hang potted plants from. Do you agree that bolts are placed for safety?

2) Would you then agree that safety is a subjective term that differs from one person to the next?

3) Is it at all possible that your opinion...

Re: very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (kcwat) — Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:26:52 GMT

Salmon it is. On Crookneck I believe. Salmon's Leap even

Re: very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (thisrod) — Wed, 06 Jun 2007 12:53:07 GMT

John: By placing bolts on CC you have already conceeded that it is not climbable using modern traditional means. ... Clipping the bolt does not make it an easier route.

In other words, it's unclimbable with or without bolts. Do you really mean that?

By the way, it isn't true that bolt pullers are never named in guidebooks. Check out the Rick White section of Andy's recent Frog guide.

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Re: very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (kcwat) — Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:41:45 GMT

A bit closer to home.

very funny joke on Cucumber Castle

feeds@yuku.com (pumpensmear) — Tue, 22 May 2007 08:58:09 GMT

Someone has made a very funny joke at the base of Cucumber Castle, in the form of a strangely placed bolt. Any side bets on how long that bolt will last???