Re: Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (thisrod) — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:00:12 GMT

This route shouldn't be where it is, and the steps taken to establish it were way out of bounds - I think we all know that. I've been on it anyway. My party wasted hours getting to the start of the route, then backed off after the first traverse, when we calculated our expected height at sunset. We intend to try again. Thanks to public enemy number 1 for his hardware and effort.

Some parts of the route have a bolt a metre. And a good thing too, given how soft the rock is in...

Re: Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (davereeve) — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:54:23 GMT

Good one Debaser. The mountain has been here for what? - 140 million years. Modern man has been here for 25,000 years

Mark, even if your numbers are a bit askew, that's a powerful argument for saying the actions of humans are irrelevant 'cos the mountains will remain. That being so I'm all for grid bolting the sucker, and with my new angle grinder I can cut holds on those pesky blank bits

Re: Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (TerryS) — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:30:30 GMT

Would hardly call the clubbers walking around 25,000 years ago 'modern'

BTW, someone recently reminded me that the earth is only 6,000 years old ! He must've been right, cause it was written in a book

Re: Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (wombby) — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:57:46 GMT

Good one Debaser. The mountain has been here for what? - 140 million years. Modern man has been here for 25,000 years.

Re: Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (scotto72) — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:59:48 GMT

Wow, that's one angry mountain!!

Re: Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (davereeve) — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:00:42 GMT

Debaser..... I'm impressed. What massive reserves of arrogance you have for a puny human. How dare you speak for the mighty mountain. In some cultures, such blasphemy would be punishable by death. Who appointed you to your throne, or does it come from some innate sense of superiority?

Re: Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (Bill Strachan) — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:57:40 GMT

Debaser wrote:
Mt Barney has no voice in your computer forum so I'll try to speak for Mt Barney.

#%@@ off.

I will outlast you.

#%@@ off.

You're irrelevant

#%@@ off.
...etc...

I never thought I'd say this, but my respect for the mountains is going out the window!

Re: Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (Debaser) — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:48:28 GMT

Mt Barney has no voice in your computer forum so I'll try to speak for Mt Barney.

#%@@ off.

I will outlast you.

#%@@ off.

You're irrelevant

#%@@ off.

Don't try to drag me down with your bolts and debauchery of men.

#%@@ off hairless monkey men.

#%@@ off.

Re: Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (wombby) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:18:21 GMT

Thanks Glen, it's nice to know ACAQ do have Barney on the radar, and yes, QPWS do have their hands pretty full at the moment repairing storm damaged Parks and making them safe again.

Phil:

I doubt strongly whether anyone will ever do anything like what has been done on Barney again given the outcry by sections of the climbing community. What has been done is done though. I will never advocate for anything but trad new routing to occur on Barney. That's...

Re: Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (ross ferguson) — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:33:54 GMT

Ross

These comments were directed at Phil's sited solution 'it's there now, so nothing to do about it, really'. That does not equate to me bashing ACAQ. I simply pointed out that if this is (or is to be) the attitude, then there's not really much point (and I stand by that). If however, this is Phil's attitude and not that of ACAQ, then all the best to ACAQ, and they have my full support.

This is...

Re: Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (phil box) — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:53:42 GMT

Very good points Terry. You've nailed the essence of what will be an increasing area of conflict not only with climbers and land managers but also of every other recreational land user in SE Queensland. There is simply not enough space for the amount of people within this geographic area.

More and more user groups will be clamouring for the limited available space. It is fortunate or unfortunate from ones persepective that a lot of people are playing their X Boxes and...

Re: Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (TerryS) — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:43:04 GMT
But Glen, that's actually a very positive step from ACAQ. Regardless of the fact that time has been available to actually sit down with QPWS, the mere fact that ACAQ make it clear that they see a potential problem and are willing to discuss with relevant bodies re these issues, sets a great precedent.

Some other point relating back to Mark's earlier (and censored) post . To a large degree, you know I'm in...

Re: Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (RockBoy) — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:57:47 GMT
Just a small update from ACAQ so everyone is aware, we are currently struggling to find time to meet with the rangers regarding other issues (ie, Greville).

Mostly because the rangers are very busy people and climbing is not on their current hot list of issues and i think we can all understand this considering many people are on leave this time of year and the rangers are gearing up for bushfire season. So no body hold their breath on the issues relating to barney and their outcomes...

Re: Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (CrakkAddict) — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:39:28 GMT
Dave says:

we need to remember that we share the mountains with other users who may have different, but none-the-less valid views to our own.
Phil says earlier:

I doubt strongly whether anyone will ever do anything like what has been done on Barney again, given the outcry by sections of the climbing community.
I agree with Dave's point, and hope that Phil's proves to be accurate.

Regardless of the merit of...

Re: Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (davereeve) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:49:09 GMT

And Dave, I am sorry and I hope you don't take it too personally, but if you can climb the whole route 'safely' on the fixed gear only, well then it does sound very much like a sport route, and your conclusion is wrong. Sure, a serious one, but nevertheless not a classic "adventure climb" as you and others would like to call it.
No problems with that Terry..... I won't know just how 'adventurous' this is till I try it. Maybe...

Re: Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (phil box) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:31:58 GMT
Hi Terry, you should note as should everyone that I do not speak for the ACAQ. I am willing however to stand up and defend them during their establisment phase and until they sort out some official positions on matters that may come up from time to time. Sorry if I have portrayed a position that may not accurately represent their position.

I think that the ACAQ is bigger than any individual. It must by its nature be bigger than any one person as it necessarily represents its members...

Re: Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (TerryS) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:17:37 GMT
Ross

These comments were directed at Phil's sited solution 'it's there now, so nothing to do about it, really'. That does not equate to me bashing ACAQ. I simply pointed out that if this is (or is to be) the attitude, then there's not really much point (and I stand by that). If however, this is Phil's attitude and not that of ACAQ, then all the best to ACAQ, and they have my full support.

This is not an anti-bolt, anti-sport, anti-whatever rave from...

Re: Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (phil box) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:17:06 GMT
I think Terry that the last thing anyone wants is to sweep issues like this under the table. By discussing these issues in a reasonable and civil manner and engaging the community we are in fact conducting a very valuable education.

It is those who will not engage the wider community and sneak around behind the scenes and chop routes etc. who are doing themselves and the wider climbing community a disservice.

Talking about the issues and engaging the climbing community...

Re: Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (ross ferguson) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:55:00 GMT

It sends out one clear and undisputed message: the climbing community (now probably ACQ) is simply to pizz-weak or not willing at any level to act

This is not (I stress NOT) directly aimed at discussed Barney effort, but a generalised comment. And I've heard it again and again. Always the same response. If ACQ is simply about continuing this path, then why waste time and...

Re: Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (ross ferguson) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:18:33 GMT

And I for one have no idea how that one rogue can be stopped, outside of some good old fashion type justice.......
Or a enforced law.

I have had a lengthy conversation with this type of people in the recent past.
You might be surprised at how amicable they actually are on this issue and also other issues.

Mt Barney

feeds@yuku.com (rightarmbad) — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:43:00 GMT
Anyone have any info to share about a new route on the right hand side of the east face?